SenseCAP T1000 E Position Incorrect

I bought two of the SenseCAP T1000 E Trackers and have them flashed with the latest Meshtastic Firmware. The issue I am having is that they are both showing their position to be almost a mile away from where they are actually located. I am using them with my iPhone and iPad. When viewing the Mesh Map screen I can see my other HelTec V3 and RAKWireless nodes and they are displaying at the correct location on the map.
I have looked and looked in the settings and configuration screens and can find nothing that will make these two T1000 E show their correct GPS locations on the map. This makes them useless for a Tracking device.
What am I missing?

In the screenshot both T1000 E trackers are displaying on top of each other, almost a mile to the left of where their actual location is, (the other node to the right) is where they should be showing up at.

Thanks for any suggestions
Keith

Appears that I can not attach the screenshot of the Meshtastic Node Mapā€¦

Mesh Map

Letā€™s see if a link to the Mesh Map will workā€¦

go to meshtastic phone app
connect to device with bluetooth
go to config gear icon
go to position config

check settings in position packets
smart position and minimum distance

Hey Keith! I had a similar problem when I first set up my devices, and hereā€™s what I found helpful.

First, ensure that the trackers have a clear view of the sky for optimal GPS signal reception. If they are indoors or obstructed, this can lead to inaccurate readings. Additionally, consider reverting to an earlier firmware version if the latest update has caused GPS performance issues, as Iā€™ve noticed that some updates can introduce bugs that affect location accuracy. You might also want to check the settings in the Meshtastic app to ensure that the GPS settings are correctly configured and that the trackers are not in a low-power mode that could affect their ability to update their position.

Yes if I might addā€¦ the top side is opposite the power connectorā€¦ keep the top side to the skyā€¦ also drive it around in a carā€¦ put it on dashboard so it can see the sky as best as possible

Donā€™t always update to the newest firmwareā€™s
If you do always use Meshtastic web flasher
Make sure to select the exact correct device
Selecting the wrong device firmware or generic device firmware is the best way to buy yourself a brick

If you understand how gps worksā€¦ it takes almost 30
Minutes for the ephemeral to downloadā€¦ this is 30 minutes of uninterrupted vision to the starsā€¦ if this does not happen your accuracy will not be exact

It sounds like your device is working great

I plug into cigarette lighter and place on dashboard in front of windshield and let it sitā€¦ just make sure
It canā€™t fall down the vent hole

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Thanks for the replies!

This Position issue seems to appear only when I have a node connected to either my iPhone or iPad.
In the map below the Keith Mobile node which is in my truck with an external antenna was connected to my iPhone via Bluetooth and is showing an Incorrect location on the Mesh Map.

The top image is looking at the Mesh Map with the Web Client, the lower image is the Mesh Map viewed on my iPhone. In the lower image you can see the breadcrumbs the SenseCap node left as I was driving around.

The Keith Home node and the other nodes near it were all showing at the correct position location at my residence. At the time none of those nodes were connected to an external device, they were using their internal GPS modules, or they were set to Fixed Location.

If I connect my nodes to an Android device via Bluetooth they show up on the Mesh Map in the correct location. I have set each node to a position precision of exact and a value of 32 using the Python CLI and or the Android app.

I have set the position precision on the Channels to precise for the Primary and all secondary channels.

It appears that only when I have a node connected to an Apple device does the GPS position become skewed. So, I donā€™t think it is a SenseCAP T1000 E issue but rather an iOS application issue.

I am wondering if anyone else has experienced this odd behavior while using an iOS device attached to their nodes? If this is an iOS issue, I have not been able to find much documentation on it in the various online Meshtastic sites.

Well dang, I still can attach or embed images in my postā€¦

Here is a link to the two images I could not attach to the above post.

Iā€™m using an iPad to connect to my SenseCap T1000 E and the app only permits setting the approximate GPS location (in the ā€˜Channelsā€™ settings) to a minimum of 1,5 km. My exact location and the location on the Mash Map differ by about 2.2 km.

There is a YouTube video about GPS precision setting called " Why Meshtastic Wonā€™t Let You Be Precise" which gives the details about this issue ā€¦

Hi there,
Having worked on a RADAR base in Turkey and with tracking the space shuttle and GPS sats among everything else experienced ā€¦ ss20ā€™s the Black Sea ;-p etc, etcā€¦ I know you donā€™t mind :blush: some 411 About GPS Lock Time

That statement is somewhat misleading but does have some truth to it. Hereā€™s how it works:

  1. First-Time Lock (Cold Start)
  • If your GPS receiver has no prior data (e.g., itā€™s been off for a long time or moved far from its last known position), it needs to download the ephemeris data from the satellites.
  • This download takes 30 seconds to a few minutes (not 30 minutes!) under clear sky conditions.
  • If reception is poor (e.g., in a city or under a tree canopy), it might take up to 12-15 minutes, but 30 minutes is extreme.
  1. Warm Start (After Recent Use)
  • If the GPS remembers its last position and still has valid ephemeris and almanac data, it can lock in seconds (typically 5-30 seconds).
  • Most modern GPS units use Assisted GPS (A-GPS), where ephemeris data is downloaded from a server via the internet instead of waiting for satellites, which can speed up fixes to just a few seconds.
  1. Ephemeris Data (Not 30 Min)
  • GPS satellites broadcast new ephemeris data every 30 seconds.
  • The full almanac (coarse satellite position data) updates every 12.5 minutes, but itā€™s valid for a long time.
  • Your GPS does not need to wait 30 minutes; even with a fresh startup, 10-15 minutes max in terrible conditions.
  1. Factors That Affect Lock Time
  • Signal Obstructions: Buildings, trees, tunnels, bad weather
  • Antenna Quality: External antennas help in weak signal areas
  • Movement: If moving fast (car, plane), cold start can take longer
  • A-GPS: If connected to the internet, it downloads satellite data in seconds instead of waiting

Some old standalone GPS devices (pre-2005) or very bad conditions might stretch the time, but modern GPS locks in under a minute under normal conditions.

some manufacture are big and put the time up front some do NOT!! YMMV

HTH
GL :slight_smile: PJ :v:
ā€œSpaceTrackerā€

The Air530 is very fast, the Xiao comes in 2nd in my testing experience. Plus the Ceramic antenna is 1/4 the size. Go figure. :stuck_out_tongue:

Using the Python CLI to set the GPS precision via the following command

meshtastic --ch-set module_settings.position_precision 32 --ch-index 0

did the trick. index 0 is is my primary channel (the only channel thatā€™s available in the EU). That sets the precision to 32 bits. Looks good on the Mesh Map on my iPad now!

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lolā€¦ not the ones i getā€¦ elevation for example in out 2 gps setupā€¦ 2 identical devices at nearly the exact location ā€¦ within inchesā€¦ and one says elevation is 10 meters (30 feet) very goodā€¦ the other 100ā€™s of metersā€¦ what da?

Stop strapping them to helium balloons for testing. Ha.

I hate to highjack but I canā€™t see any way to create a new post in this category. Iā€™m having no end of issues since my device is not recognized on any of my computers. I can deal with that later but wonder mostly about how to set up actual tracking for a map showing where the unit has been. All I see is current position.
Again, my apologies.

why do you mean unrecognizedā€¦? can you explain?.. you can keep posting hereā€¦ no problem

Thanks. I mean that whenever I plug my T1000 into any computer I get the message ā€œThe recently added USB device is not recognized.ā€ or something similar. Hence, I donā€™t think I have the ability to load new Meshtastic files to it.
No amount of searching for drivers has come up with anything. I have an older desktop but get the same on my new mini Win 11.

sounds oddā€¦ i have old stuff and never had a problem with it

Yeah. I was hoping to see the extra drive to work with but no joy. Just my luck.
Like getting hit with duty processing fees and accumulated exchange rates. So far, itā€™s one expensive toy that I canā€™t seem to play with.
If I could see the most basic trail on a map Iā€™d have hope. I have no idea how to activate that, let alone temperature or altitude readings.

you installed the meshtastic app? i sent an email to support to see if they know anything did you install Arduino IDE?